Friday, November 9, 2007

Etsy vs. Ebay-what are the advantages?

"Above the Sangre de Christo", Oil on Panel, 6x6 Inches
Jerry Lebo 2007


I have been working on two landscape commissions over the last week, so I have a lot of reference material from Santa Fe sitting around the studio. I was thinking back to the first time I went to Santa Fe in 1994, and I remember it was the sky that really drew my attention--and it has compelled me as an artist ever since.

One of the natural phenomenons that occurs in Santa Fe—that I rarely see anywhere else—is the way the clouds seem to explode over the top of the Sangre De Christo Mountains above the city. The first time I saw this, my first thought was that if you were to do a painting of it—no one would ever believe it actually looks like that. I have done several paintings of it over the years-and people seem to understand. I regularly get emails from people who have lived in New Mexico and and fondly recall the skies. Back in July I did a painting titled “Above Tesuque”, which was the first painting I sold on Ebay--to a former NM resident who is now living on the east coast. So I took the opportunity of having all my cloud photos around the studio to do the above small painting.

So, as you may have seen from my widget (bottom right of my blog), I have started posting some of my work to Etsy, rather than Ebay. Here is a link if you are interested in taking a look at my new Etsy store—where you can also see the above painting.

So why did I move over to Etsy? Well, I remember getting a comment from someone back in July on my blog about Etsy (recommending it) and I have been curious ever since. But the real impetus came when I did a review of my sales over the past few months and realized that I am losing about 3-4 percent of my sales price to the listing fees at Ebay. Since I often listed items more than once before they sold—and some never sold—this means I have been losing about 10% of my overall revenue to Ebay listing fees. Thus, for small $100 paintings, I am not sure Ebay is the best approach. In fact, those PAD painters who seem to be successful on Ebay are getting multiple bids which raise the price of their paintings. For me, I has usually get only a single bid, so Ebay is not really much of an advantage from the point of view of raising the selling price. So, I am going to try Etsy for a while—although I may still use Ebay now and again. I have kept with my fixed price approach (which I posted about the other day) of $3 per square inch for paintings, and $1.25 per square inch for works on paper.

So what are the advantages of Ebay over Etsy. First, Ebay is great for getting access to a lot of people. There are millions of eyes over at Ebay looking for all sorts of stuff. So new people may see your work each day, as the result of browsing listings related to yours--or just looking to buy art from new artists. On the other hand, with 20,000 paintings for sale—it is pretty much luck or clever marketing if they find it. I saw one artist using an interesting—but in my mind not entirely ethical approach. He had purchased a Duane Keiser painting—and relisted it for $1000 as part of his Ebay store. So if somebody types Duane Keiser as an Ebay search, this guy's Ebay store comes up (in bold) at the bottom of the search results—offering a painting at more than triple the price of the paintings Duane is actually selling. I am sure that people click to see this very expensive Keiser painting—then get hit in the face with lots of thumbnails of this guy's work. Pretty clever—and I am sure it sells a lot of paintings as a result--but I am not sure if I could sleep at night knowing I was using another artist's reputation to sell my paintings. But, then again, he is not the first or last artist to take such an approach. I am sure that if you get into the gallery where there is an established well-selling artist--your sales will go up too--especially if you paint in the same manner. But is this the same as buying one of his paintings and selling it in your own gallery to attact attention? Anyway, I just checked on Ebay before posting this, and he is still doing it.

On Etsy, the first thing I noticed is that I am actually getting more “views” of my paintings than I was on Ebay—although I have not sold anything yet. On Ebay, most of my paintings were sold at the reserve price in any case—after a single bid—and I think most purchasers were coming through my blog. For $.20 per listing (much lower than Ebay)—and about the same selling fees—your listings stays on Etsy for four months with no additional fee. So, if you are selling mainly through word of mouth (or your blog), Etsy may make more sense for you. In terms of advertisement, however, it may also be good to have a few paintings over at Ebay every now and again. However, until you are generating multiple bids for your paintings, Ebay’s only advantage is the sheer numbers of possible buyers—note, I say possible, since you will still need to find a way to drive traffic to your work. Generally speaking, I noticed that I was selling one painting for every 100-150 views of my work. Don’t take that as a scientific number—it is just a rough rule of thumb I came up with from observation. However, in my case, it has mainly been my blog—and not Ebay—that has driven traffic and interest in my work—so I am looking to cut my costs a bit over at Etsy.

Okay, well, that is it for now. I am working on my next posting already, which will be about how to make a low-cost frame for your paintings—an issue that several of my readers have sent me emails about requesting more information. I just received an order to build 12 frames for one of my collectors, so it is a good time to do the post on the subject. Stay tuned.

All the best, sixtyminuteartist.

75 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hi Jerry! Am on a PDA so forgive the typos.

I've purchased four cute print and one awesome poster thru etsy stores. With no problems and really fast service. I think you will like it.

Most of things I found were through blogs about design or rennovation. Design sponge but there are scores of other ones. There was a posting on one the other day about people wanting to buy affordable original art. I sent them to your blog, duane's blog and to the daily painter's blog so here's hoping the artist linked here get some exposure as well. I would certainly recommend looking at some of these to see/gauge interest level.
Many of the blogs with large followings can post an artist or a item in an etsy store and it sells out very fast.

Good food for thought,Cindy

Heather said...

This is fascinating. I have avoided Ebay because I also work on the side for an art and antique appraiser and KNOW that ebay prices for work are often much lower than elsewhere people are looking for deals on something for the walls--not for good work. In fact, we seldom use Ebay prices because they are not really representative of the market.

On the other side I haven't tried Etsy since I usually just do commissions and run them directly from my blog. I do have an Artwanted.com account but that is more for exposure than actual selling.

Marsha Stopa said...

Jerry,
I spent two weeks in Santa Fe in the late 90s when my sister lived there, long before I started landscape painting, but I remember the phenomenal cloud formations. I remember driving back one day and see a thunderous black storm sky to my right and a glorious sunny sky on my left as if there were a wall between....Good info on Etsy. I was wondering, too. I tried eBay for a month with no bids and decided to wait a bit. Lots of people who buy on eBay don't realize it costs the seller whether it sells or not. Maybe I'll try Etsy. Looking forward to the frame post -- was going to ask about that as well! Marsha

Kim VanDerHoek said...

Hi Jerry,

I love reading all the advice in your blog!

I also have an Etsy store and went over to Etsy after selling on Ebay for about a year. I had the same issues with Ebay’s fees that you do. While I have sold a few things on Etsy, Ebay has a lot more traffic. So I am going to give Ebay a shot again since I have a backlog of paintings piling up.

I wish you the best on Etsy! I've already hearted you too. Feel free to check out my etsy store,
http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=105519

And thanks for all the wonderful advice!

Unknown said...

you know.. if you think most of your work is selling thru your blog. why not just post it for sale on your blog .... for say, a week before you list it to etsy or ebay and see if it sells. if it does..then you havent had to pay any fees at all.. Id say its worth a try. I post my art on my blog for sale before I post it on ebay, ( or o my yahoo group which is for people to join who collect my work and want to knwo when I new piece is out or for sale) and actually I dont usually even use ebay much unless I htink I can get more mone for a piece. I sculpt and I post it on the sculpture forums I go to where people who collect what I sculpt hang out looking for new pieces for sale or I post it on a sales page thats just for horse sculptures which is what I do mostly right now... wish I had time to paint more because I also paint... but I sculpt, cast in resin and paint them..not always .
so anyways, try it out and see what happens.. worth a try ... like post a pic of each piece for one week on your blog first. I also use paypal. so they can go right there to pay for it too.. good luck! I like your work by the way.. I have a problem painting loose myself.. wish I could more.. I love the style myself..I just paint so darn tight.. when I have more time Id like to try to just paint looser for awhile...
Becky T. SolticeArt studio

jojonono said...

This article is a good read especially for sellers of art, but we took a in depth look at this comparison on our site if anyone is interested.

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